Comments on: Be good for what sake? http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/ Being of use to the world since 1979. Tue, 10 Jan 2012 01:48:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Johnny http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/comment-page-1/#comment-34702 Johnny Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:01:52 +0000 http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/?p=1649#comment-34702 Now now, LOL. Now now, LOL.

]]> By: Saltation http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/comment-page-1/#comment-34661 Saltation Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:14:17 +0000 http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/?p=1649#comment-34661 oh. sorry. (it just read that way.) oh. sorry. (it just read that way.)

]]> By: ron http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/comment-page-1/#comment-34503 ron Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:13:41 +0000 http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/?p=1649#comment-34503 i was not referring to you saltation. i was not referring to you saltation.

]]> By: Saltation http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/comment-page-1/#comment-34488 Saltation Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:41:50 +0000 http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/?p=1649#comment-34488 heh. looks like i've upset poor ole ron, johnny. heh. looks like i’ve upset poor ole ron, johnny.

]]> By: ron http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/comment-page-1/#comment-34449 ron Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:03:33 +0000 http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/?p=1649#comment-34449 that person left a few other dick comments on here in other places too. that person left a few other dick comments on here in other places too.

]]> By: Saltation http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/comment-page-1/#comment-34418 Saltation Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:39:37 +0000 http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/?p=1649#comment-34418 tui is a kiwi beer. this is a recent billboard of theirs, which a minority of faux-christians demanded they take down, despite its meaning and intent: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4783624a4560.html tui is a kiwi beer. this is a recent billboard of theirs, which a minority of faux-christians demanded they take down, despite its meaning and intent:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4783624a4560.html

]]> By: Saltation http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/comment-page-1/#comment-34417 Saltation Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:31:05 +0000 http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/?p=1649#comment-34417 "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours" -- Stephen Roberts but it's bigger than mere religion -- organised religion is merely one aspect of a much deeper anthropological/genetic drive: "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." --William Buckley in MY lexicon, these are faux-liberals, not genuine liberals. but they make up by far the majority. you are a true exception, sir. “I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours”
– Stephen Roberts

but it’s bigger than mere religion — organised religion is merely one aspect of a much deeper anthropological/genetic drive:

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
–William Buckley

in MY lexicon, these are faux-liberals, not genuine liberals. but they make up by far the majority. you are a true exception, sir.

]]> By: Steven http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/comment-page-1/#comment-34358 Steven Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:30:45 +0000 http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/?p=1649#comment-34358 Why get hateful on someone's blog? Aren't they allowed to have their own opinions? I would consider myself a conservative Christian. I voted for McCain and Bush mainly on social and economic stances rather than leadership and character issues. I even teach Sunday School. But I LOVE Johnny's blog. And like to see things through a different set of eyes. And although I don't agree with many things he says, I sure as heck don't want to criticize, ridicule, or in any way shut him up. Keep up the blog, Johnny. I wanna her about big cities, bikes, moleskins, Poe, philosophy, beards and sandals. LOL Steven Indiana Why get hateful on someone’s blog? Aren’t they allowed to have their own opinions?

I would consider myself a conservative Christian. I voted for McCain and Bush mainly on social and economic stances rather than leadership and character issues. I even teach Sunday School. But I LOVE Johnny’s blog. And like to see things through a different set of eyes. And although I don’t agree with many things he says, I sure as heck don’t want to criticize, ridicule, or in any way shut him up.

Keep up the blog, Johnny. I wanna her about big cities, bikes, moleskins, Poe, philosophy, beards and sandals. LOL

Steven
Indiana

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/comment-page-1/#comment-34357 Jennifer Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:27:17 +0000 http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/?p=1649#comment-34357 each*.. that's what happens when you try to comment too early in the morning... each*.. that’s what happens when you try to comment too early in the morning…

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/comment-page-1/#comment-34356 Jennifer Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:26:27 +0000 http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/?p=1649#comment-34356 To eah his own. To eah his own.

]]> By: Johnny http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/comment-page-1/#comment-34302 Johnny Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:00:04 +0000 http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/?p=1649#comment-34302 I think I might also point out your own generalizing of "the left" because of some people there who are anti-Christian. A large portion of the faithful people I know (most of whom are Christian) are in fact in the left. I think I might also point out your own generalizing of “the left” because of some people there who are anti-Christian. A large portion of the faithful people I know (most of whom are Christian) are in fact in the left.

]]> By: Johnny http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/comment-page-1/#comment-34301 Johnny Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:58:38 +0000 http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/?p=1649#comment-34301 <i>"Pro-Christian isnt 'crap'"</i> That is not what I said at all. I never said it was. <i>"With a lot of the pro-marriage, pro-family, pro-'Christian' crap we all get to look at, it’s at least…refreshing to see some diverse views in ad space."</i> That is what I said. That statement clearly indicates that the crap I'm talking about comes in those flavors, not that those flavors are necessarily crap. I see pro-peace crap, pro-vegetarian crap and pro-bike crap, too. That statement does not entail that I think any of those things are crap entirely. You're putting words in my mouth. [This is ignoring the fact that this is MY website, and if I wanted to call everything Christian, all trees and bunnies or everything made of metal crap or shit or worse, I can. Who is anyone to discount someone's opinion of anything just by saying, "No it's not"?] Since when is the wholesale bashing of Christianity "fashionable"? Maybe for wannabe deep types who just read Nietzsche for the first time or people who want attention and want to shock people. Most of the anti-Christian sentiment I hear and read is reactionary. <i><strong>Anyway, I think we few on the cutting edge of understanding the universe are over the bullshit that is bashing any religion just for the hell of it.</strong></i> I don't know why the hell you refer to my "habit" of "dissing everything Christian." Maybe you have me mixed up with someone else? If criticism is dissing, this might almost be fair. But criticism and dissing are not the same thing. Dissing is like telling someone they are wrong sans anything to back it up. And in the five years this blog has been running, I have seldom criticized Christianity <i>per se</i> anyway. I have on numerous times ranted about assholes who happen to be Christians. I stated particulars; so any generalizing is yours, not mine. I know enough good people who happen to be Christians also to prevent me from ever thinking badly about all Christians as a whole. I am well aware that a lot of shit-slinging comes from people who do in fact hate everything Christian. They are nuts that are little better than nuts who hate everything that is <i>not</i> Christian. Anyone's grouping me in with any of these people is complete bullshit, and is, frankly, falling into the trap of making gross and ill-informed generalizations that I am being accused of. In my experience, religious nuts are the ones least sensitive to what effect dissing other people's beliefs can have. Putting up a billboard of shiny white people getting married telling the rest of us that <i>that</i> is what a family looks like and what all goodness in society comes from can be an affront to people the same way that ripping up the Koran or playing Jesus action figures are. I don't think atheists have cornered the market on insensitivity, is my point. I think I might also point out your own generalizing of "the left" because of some people there who are anti-Christian. A large portion of the faithful people I know (most of whom are Christian) are in fact in the left. “Pro-Christian isnt ‘crap’”
That is not what I said at all. I never said it was.
“With a lot of the pro-marriage, pro-family, pro-’Christian’ crap we all get to look at, it’s at least…refreshing to see some diverse views in ad space.”
That is what I said. That statement clearly indicates that the crap I’m talking about comes in those flavors, not that those flavors are necessarily crap. I see pro-peace crap, pro-vegetarian crap and pro-bike crap, too. That statement does not entail that I think any of those things are crap entirely. You’re putting words in my mouth.

[This is ignoring the fact that this is MY website, and if I wanted to call everything Christian, all trees and bunnies or everything made of metal crap or shit or worse, I can. Who is anyone to discount someone's opinion of anything just by saying, "No it's not"?]

Since when is the wholesale bashing of Christianity “fashionable”? Maybe for wannabe deep types who just read Nietzsche for the first time or people who want attention and want to shock people. Most of the anti-Christian sentiment I hear and read is reactionary. Anyway, I think we few on the cutting edge of understanding the universe are over the bullshit that is bashing any religion just for the hell of it.

I don’t know why the hell you refer to my “habit” of “dissing everything Christian.” Maybe you have me mixed up with someone else? If criticism is dissing, this might almost be fair. But criticism and dissing are not the same thing. Dissing is like telling someone they are wrong sans anything to back it up. And in the five years this blog has been running, I have seldom criticized Christianity per se anyway. I have on numerous times ranted about assholes who happen to be Christians. I stated particulars; so any generalizing is yours, not mine. I know enough good people who happen to be Christians also to prevent me from ever thinking badly about all Christians as a whole.

I am well aware that a lot of shit-slinging comes from people who do in fact hate everything Christian. They are nuts that are little better than nuts who hate everything that is not Christian. Anyone’s grouping me in with any of these people is complete bullshit, and is, frankly, falling into the trap of making gross and ill-informed generalizations that I am being accused of.

In my experience, religious nuts are the ones least sensitive to what effect dissing other people’s beliefs can have. Putting up a billboard of shiny white people getting married telling the rest of us that that is what a family looks like and what all goodness in society comes from can be an affront to people the same way that ripping up the Koran or playing Jesus action figures are. I don’t think atheists have cornered the market on insensitivity, is my point.

I think I might also point out your own generalizing of “the left” because of some people there who are anti-Christian. A large portion of the faithful people I know (most of whom are Christian) are in fact in the left.

]]> By: Daniel http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/comment-page-1/#comment-34284 Daniel Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:43:10 +0000 http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/?p=1649#comment-34284 Pro-Christian isnt "crap". Please get over your oh-so-fashionable habit of dissing everything Christian. Looks like I will have to abandon the left, given all the Christian-bashing and Chriostianophobia I see going on. People dont even think about how hurtful it is to diss the beliefs of their fellow human beings. remember, dont judge all Christians by the words and actions of a very small minority, who hold outrageous beliefs. Pro-Christian isnt “crap”. Please get over your oh-so-fashionable habit of dissing everything Christian.
Looks like I will have to abandon the left, given all the Christian-bashing and Chriostianophobia I see going on. People dont even think about how hurtful it is to diss the beliefs of their fellow human beings. remember, dont judge all Christians by the words and actions of a very small minority, who hold outrageous beliefs.

]]> By: Steven http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/comment-page-1/#comment-34240 Steven Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:31:12 +0000 http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/?p=1649#comment-34240 Organized religion has only caused trouble over the past 2000 years?!?!? ;-) Steven IN Organized religion has only caused trouble over the past 2000 years?!?!? ;-)

Steven
IN

]]> By: Johnny http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/2008/12/be-good-for-what-sake/comment-page-1/#comment-34201 Johnny Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:40:19 +0000 http://www.pragmatik.org/blog/?p=1649#comment-34201 <i>The world would be a better place if human beings didn’t feel the constant need to make everyone else agree with their line of thinking.</i> Amen:) The world would be a better place if human beings didn’t feel the constant need to make everyone else agree with their line of thinking.
Amen:)

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